I forget who made this point at Mancoat, but it was an astute one nonetheless. The poster in question posited that even nice girls are sluts. Here's why...
First, let's take a look at your typical slut; this is your typical woman. She becomes sexually active at 13-at the latest! She has 4-6 short term relationships per year lasting 2-3 months each. Between these relationships, she has a couple of one night stands worked in between. By the time your typical woman is 25, she will have been sexually active for 12 years. When we take her yearly partner count (4 relationships + 4 ONS per year)*12, we get 96 partners by the time she's 25; that's being conservative, because we only allowed for ONE ONS in between her short term relationships. If we assume two ONS in between STRs, then we get (4 STRs + 8 ONS)*12=144; that's 144 dicks by the time she's reached 25! That's slutting it up-er, being an empowered, liberated woman...
Now, let us look at what passes for a nice girl these days, shall we? A nice girl doesn't lose her virginity until turning 16. This nice girl has two boyfriends a year; she has two LTRs lasting about six months each per year. Now, if we assume that said nice girl continues this pattern until 25, she'll have slept with 18 men by the time she reaches 25; by the time she's hit 25, our modern day nice girl will have had 18 penises in her birth canal. Since 18<<96 or 144, that passes as a virtuous woman these days.
However, today's nice girl will have no doubt had a couple of one night stands along the way too; what, you think she didn't do the nasty with someone during her spring breaks?! Come on! At the very least, she will have had a couple of short term flings amongst her LTRs. That brings the notch count of today's 'nice girl' (or what PASSES for a nice girl today, I should say) up to 20, minimum-all by the time she reaches 25. BTW, the health text books of a generation ago said that any woman who'd had more than six or seven partners during her lifetime was promiscuous. Therefore, even a 'nice girl' of today is a slut. As Chris in Oregon would say, ICK! Until next time...
MarkyMark
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I remember that. That was poster "Black Sea". It's true too, the way "so-called" nice women flare up when you bring out the mathematics that can't be denied.
Then comes the shaming, with the saying "good men never ask women about their sex lives" and "only bad women have sex before marriage".
If the guy doesn't ask, he won't know, right?
"Oh, you're just bitter you can't get laid. I'll tell all my other girlfriends about what a creep you are!"
is how the conversation usually goes.
With most women so insane to take offense to easily, it's probably better for men to avoid them until they can buy what they need.
Something I have seen personally is the "Nice Girl" waking up one morning and deciding she is tired of being "nice." This may come after ditching her good religious husband, or simply because she reaches age 27 and decides she's tired of waiting for Mr Rite.
So she latches onto the first BadBoy (tm) (or even perceived BadBoy(tm)) she meets. And turns super-slutty: Abbreviated outfits. Over the edge sexual practices. Requests to be taken to sex clubs.
She has an orgy. Then wakes up one morning and decides she wants to go back into "Nice Girl" mode. She turns her nose up at the BadBoys(tm) she was once going down on. She looks for a new faithful hubbie. And is a "Nice Girl" once more.
At least for a while...
The point I want to make here is (actually, two points):
1) If you think you have met a "Nice Girl," she may have had a full sexual history and is covering it up.
2) Even if you do meet that virginal female you have been promised, don't think that her fidelity will last forever.
I must move in different circles or something. I know plenty of nice girls who really are NOT sluts. They are almost like a different creature entirely...it's very pleasant, actually, to be around them.
But, I will hand it to you, I can hardly blame most men these days for being suspicious...all. the. time. They've been burned too many times.
bj
I'm sorry, but this post is fucking disgusting.
The main thing I'm beefing with is, "she becomes sexually active at 13-at the latest!"
Fuck.
Have you ever met a thirteen year old girl before?
Having *been* a thirteen year old girl not so long ago and currently having a sister near that age, I can tell you that most of them have not even so much as kissed a boy at that age (at least, in Ohio and in Illinois. Okay, I didn't talk to all the 13-year-olds in those states, but I sure did know quite a lot when I was in school). It's just...don't you realize that it's totally gross to talk about prepubescent and barely pubescent girls having sex like crazy when they aren't? I know it happens sometimes, but it's usually isolated and as a result of abuse or of growing up in an unusual situation that made them think it was okay to prematurely have sex in the first place. Or something else equally anomalistic.
When I was 13 (six years ago), all we were interested in was largely the same stuff the boys were interested in: video games, our extra curricular activities, Green Day, South Park, and maybe paintballing if our parents allowed us to. A few of us were experimenting with makeup and having "boyfriends", which entailed sitting with the boy at lunch and maybe kissing...for all of two or three weeks.
If my testimony isn't enough, look at the damn facts. The Guttmacher Institute states that young people (which applies to young men and women) mostly tend to have sex for the first time around age 17, and that teens are putting off sex a lot longer than they used to, in the early '90's. The studies actually even claim that teenage boys are more likely to blithely engage in sexuality than girls. "Among sexually experienced teens, 70% of females and 56% of males report that their first sexual experience was with a steady partner, while 16% of females and 28% of males report first having sex with someone they had just met or who was just a friend."
Come on, people. A lot of you have such important things to say about meaningful issues that deeply impact men and their quality of life. But when you suggest that 12-13 year-old girls are all a bunch of promiscuous sluts (and imply that teenage boys represent some sort of beacon of purity), it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about. Particularly when you aren't backing up your claims with any form of statistics, and the most reputable ones don't even come close to agreeing with you.
I really hate it when you guys don't seem to know what you're talking about, because I keep getting hopeful about the MRA movement. That you'll be able to make things more equal for men, and that all these bumps and hiccups you have on the way are to be expected, similar to the hatespew that is associated with the early feminist movement. But if you keep up with the way you're going, the rest of the world is going to ignore the good points you have and hone in on all the bad. That's how Manboobz is able to make you look bad, and that's the sad level of intellect the average person operates on. Do you really want to be The Little Movement That Couldn't?
Anon956,
I don't know if you looked at my profile, but I'm from NJ, which is on the East Coast. It's no secret that the coastal states are FAR more liberal than those in the Midwest. That colors my perspective.
Secondly, my mother is a retired teacher; she retired like 12-15 years ago now. She taught mainly sixth grade, but she also taught seventh and eighth towards the end of her career. IOW, she taught kids who were 12-14 years of age, the same demographic I discussed in my post here. Anyway, my mom, who was on the ground dealing with early teenage kids, said that sexual activity was far from uncommon amongst kids that age.
Thirdly, why do I keep hearing on the radio and TV how oral sex is like a good night kiss used to be? I hear these stories on a semi-regular basis. Why would these stories be told if there wasn't some truth to them?
In any case, I'd be interested in your response...
MarkyMark
I really hate it when you guys don't seem to know what you're talking about,
None of them have any idea what they're talking about. Marky had sex once 20 years ago and knows nothing about females or does his butt buddy Chris, some 50 yo old loser living in some cabin in Podunk
Nobody wants these poor dumb losers in the men's movement.
Anonymous 31 January, 2012 19:56,
Like the shirt says "shut up,bitch".
Manboobz? You think anyone takes that neutered pit yorkie seriously? You look at manboobz and think the onion and why not? They are both just as factual. I noticed Fooltrelle doesn't link to my blog. Why is that? If he has the guts then he shold and if he doesn't it will just confirm what we've always said about him.
Anon2206,
I know enough about women to remain a BACHELOR-ha! Check it out: H.L. Menken, that prolific American writer and philosopher, said that bachelors know MORE about women than married men; if they didn't, then they'd be married too...
MarkyMark
If there are all these "nice girls" out there, why is marriage declining?
Maybe the nice girls,
don't know how to select for the nice men - in which case:
being a nice man doesn't have any value
or the nice girls WANT the bad boys - in which case:
being a nice man doesn't have any value
The idea that girls are "tricked" into being with a player absolves girls of the responsibility of BEING with that player, despite knowing what he is.
Girls who complain about cheaters are ignoring the simple fact that if they don't want to be cheated on or want to be treated well ...
they need to either:
"settle for less"
or
"be single".
Are girls brave enough to do either?
I'm waiting for that strong and independent one myself, it's already proven to be a long wait.
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