Guys,
There will be nothing happening with Blanca, because her number is NOT a working number. Yes, I got a wrong number. I can't believe it, because her body language revealed classic IOIs. That hasn't happened to me since-I don't know when. I know it's been a lot of years though; the last time I can remember this happening was high school.
I was going to ask Blanca out to mini-golf this coming Saturday. In a way, I'm kinda glad that won't happen, because an area motorcycle dealership has a nice, brand new leftover Burgman scooter I'm just DYING to check out! Now that I won't have to bother with the date, I can go check out that nice two wheeler, and maybe buy it; after all, I don't have to check in with the wife first, hehehe...
Perhaps it's just as well she flaked, because she was probably a single mom; Blanca had two kids in tow at the rink. Relationships are hard enough without throwing single mama drama into the mix. I don't need that BS in my life! Still, my biology gets the better of me sometimes; my desire for female companionship and sex still rears its ugly head now and then...
Oh well, I had a great time skating, and I'll have a great time skating again soon-yes! I'm getting my legs and my moves back; I'm looking and feeling good. At the end of the day, that's all that matters...
Well, have a good night. I'll have more to post in the near future...
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96 comments:
Which is why, you always take her number & dial her phone, pretending to give her your number ...
ie. type her number in & tell her my number is ... dial her number
Don't beat yourself up about it, MM; we all make mistakes. But the most important thing you can do when you make a mistake is to learn from it...that way, you don't make that same mistake again.
Be glad you made this mistake -- you relearned a valuable lesson, and dodged a bullet at the same time.
Max,
That's a great idea! The only problem is, unlike 99.99% of America, I don't keep my cell phone on me; it's either in my car or my scooter in case I have trouble. IOW, I don't carry it into my workplace, my hangouts, or anywhere else. Still, it's a good idea.
Red Pill,
A part of me was hoping to get perhaps a few pump & dumps out of the deal. I mean, single mamas gotta be good for something, right? But yeah, I dodged a bullet, so I'm thankful for that. That, and I had a great session skating! That's most important of all... :)
Marky, Stay away from females with kids.It's not worth it and can only involve a lot of nonsense and inconvenience that you don't need.
Mark,
Hate to say it man, but I don't want to sound patronizing because I love reading your blog...however "I told you so" is just too tempting not to comment on this one. But the cool thing, you may have just dodged a bullet. Long live MGTOW!
Bummer Mark. But at least she outed herself as a dishonest weirdo from the start so you didn't waste any time on her.
Look dude,you're missing the assholery douchbagery factor.
You gotta treat em badly and mean it.
Word.
God has saved you once again. This shit happened to me many times, I could have scored with a girl but somehow or other God protected me from it.
Damn bro, my Boycott American Women blog was such a huge success. I successfully trolled tens of millions of American women with it.
I was doing it for the lulz!!!!
MarkyMark
Next time you want a few pump and dumps and it's worth a couple hundred bucks to you, I did a basic google search for you, just copy and paste
https://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=New+Jersey+Escorts&oq=New+Jersey+Escorts&gs_l=hp.3...1861.9949.0.10406.18.14.0.4.4.0.165.969.13j1.14.0...0.0...1c.1.14.psy-ab.5OGDeO7cU1c&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.cGE&fp=efd7b792ab24ba7d&biw=1680&bih=922
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=New+Jersey+Asian+Massage+Parlors&oq=New+Jersey+Asian+Massage+Parlors&gs_l=hp.3...2469.14445.0.14808.36.27.2.7.7.0.106.1694.26j1.27.0...0.0...1c.1.14.psy-ab.QvVMKvswFQs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.cGE&fp=efd7b792ab24ba7d&biw=1680&bih=922
I suggest getting a hooker if you want to relieve sexaul stress.
BTW I'm fucking with fooltrelle and the feminazis on his site: click here
I also left this:
You know maybe you feminists are right maybe we are bad people:click here
He'll cream in his panties thinking he won me over. That is until he clicks on the link.
nothing of value was lost.
Thanks for the support, guys! Even the 'I told you so' comment was good. OCS, thanks for the love, bro! Thanks for all the kind remarks. I dodged a bullet, and for that, I'm thankful...
Meh flaking is so common I don't consider anything until she is physically in front of me on a meetup. Phone numbers, flirting, IOIs mean nothing.
And I'd also agree...that the girls that flaked out on me are just God's way of saying "I don't want you to live a life of pain."
I had a similar experience when I was in my early-20s. I met this attractive blonde who was as close to a perfect 10 as I've ever seen. To my surprise, we hit it off and she ended up giving me her number. Whenever I called, she wouldn't answer. I left my number on her answering machine several times and she never returned my call. After trying to reach her for the umpteenth time, I finally gave up. As attractive as she was, I wasn't going to play her stupid games. If she was really into me, she would have gone out of her way to contact me like she would if I were a so-called "alpha" male. This experience taught me just how fickle today's women are, and how they cannot be trusted. I figured, this lesson was a lot less costly than having a date in divorce court because my so-called sweetheart changed her feelings about me on a whim.
I agree with the above posters who suggested going through escorts to meet your sexual needs. A lot less hassle is involved, and it's a lot less costly in the long-run. The extra time (that isn't spent jumping through hoops for today's demanding, wishy-washy women) can be spent on more fulfilling pursuits, e.g. skating in your case and outdoor activities in mine.
You already have a motorcycle so just join this club and you'll get pussy :o)
http://www.sonsofanarchynj.com/about.html
Prostitution is indeed the best method for sex. You pay them money, bang them, and then it's over. No female emotional bullshit or anything.
Even better is porn. Your hand generally feels much better than a female vagina, and you can jack off looking at super model quality women.
And now Google is creating Google Glasses with 3D porn, and it should be ready next week.
3D porn is the future, virtual reality porn. Once that is created, real life women are going to be shit out of luck, as the majority of men will choose VR or 3D porn over real life women.
She may have hit a wrong key and the number was incorrect, but you are better off in the long run not having any contact with her. I know it sucks as I've been down that road before.
Anon0056,
No, I got her number the old fashioned way: pen & paper. I got the pen & paper, and I copied it from her. I read it back to her, and she said it was correct. There was no chance to hit a wrong key.
MarkyMark
I saw a great piece of wisdom about single mothers-
"Single mothers are like Chernobyl: deadly to enter, and radioactive for miles around."
I have a 28-year-old friend who had never been in a relationship with anyone. She says she is afraid of being "emotionally invested" in communicating with a lot of weirdoes until she finds the right person.
I told her, the dating world is full of weirdoes. Be prepared for it. Don't get upset, don't take it personally, and move on. This is a X100 times true if you're talking about dating websites.
The important thing is to detect the unsuitable ones early on. If that is done, you have nothing to regret.
And, yes, there *are* some decent people out there. You just have to activate all your radars to recognize them.
Anna,
What was baffling in my case is that this woman gave me CLEAR indications of interest; I had no reason to believe she was a weirdo. WHen I sat down, she: 1) turned towards me; 2) leaned in; and 3) licked her lips. I thought I had a shot with this one. Unfortunately, she revealed herself as a weirdo.
I told my buddy about it when we were skating this week. He said that this woman might have been using me to validate her ego; he said that she might have been in a relationship that's about to end, because that's a final step before leaving the relationship. Makes sense.
Still, it upsets me when this sort of thing happens. If you're not interested, don't lead me to think you are! This also makes me suspicious of women who do express interest. It is genuine, or are you just looking to validate your ego?
MarkyMark
Wikked,
I LOVE the Chernobyl analogy-good one!
MarkyMark
Mark - realize where you are fishing. No woman who stays in the U.S. is mentally well. I've been in China for a few years now and abroad since 2008. You can always tell any girl that has spent any time in the U.S. because they all pull shit like this. Foreign girls tend NOT to stand you up and/or bullshit you at least not in Asia. I have made it a rule that I absolutely will not pursue or date any girl who has spent time in the U.S. As a rule if they have they are:
* Entitlement bitches
* Not only non-virgins but have more notches than a call girl
* Mentally damaged
* Absolutely convinced that they are worth more than they are
It is the last one that is really noticeable for girls who have lived in the U.S. I think it is mandatory that they get brain washed into really believing that they are at least 2-3 points on a 10 point scale better than they are and this does NOT go away. For the most part these girls stay single over here (justice) as the attitude can be sniffed by the locals as well.
So Rambo, is that your solution for females? Most men are not just borgs and still want a real human female.I don't think that going with call girls or whores is a good idea either. You should be able to find a girl and not spend a lot of money like many of you on here believe.
I'll use my old saying again...Once you understand them, why would you even want one. I no longer have any use for a woman in my life for anything. My solitude is far more more valuable to me than a troublesome woman is.
Still, it upsets me when this sort of thing happens. If you're not interested, don't lead me to think you are!
Damn staright. I hate being led on. It royally pisses me off.
Apparently, in her book "Men on Strike", Dr. Helen Smith confirmed that about 20% of the men are fucking 75% of women. With those odds and what you end up with if you do score, is it even worth the effort?
You can't always read another person's behavior correctly, and sometimes - no, many times - you just have to shrug your shoulders, say "oh well", and move on.
It can be confusing and frustrating. I don't miss the dating world. At all. I've had my share of rejections and guys who would just disappear, and I got married at 22! It is hurtful and humiliating to be rejected... in my case (I was dating Orthodox Jews) it was mostly because my father wasn't Jewish, so I was considered second-class goods.
What saved me was that I did *not* get emotionally (and hormonally!) invested. My husband and I never so much as held hands before we were married. And let me tell you, this first moment of holding hands is a cherished memory...
Mrs. Anna,
Anyone who thought you were second class was totally clueless; you're first class all the way! Your husband is one lucky man...
It sounds like you approached the relationship in the right way also. Too bad more young people don't even know, let alone practice, your approach to marriage. I think if people took the sex out of things before marriage, we'd see a lot fewer divorces. I think too many people get blinded by the 'hormone goggles', so they end up marrying total strangers.
MarkyMark
MarkyMark
With those odds and what you end up with if you do score, is it even worth the effort?
That's a SOBERING question, Greddy. I'm not sure the effort IS worth it...
Anna,
What upset me was not the rejection itself; I know that's going to happen. Just like falling is part of skating, rejection is part of dating. I don't like it, but I accept it.
No, what upset me was the WAY it was done; I was lied to! This chick made me think she was in to me. Then, she gave me a wrong number! I was like, WTF? As I said previously, if you're not into me, fine; don't lead me on to think that you are...
MarkyMark
Look.
Game is at best a bonus. You guys are discussing more efficient ways to get her phone number but in reality it's not going to make her more attracted to you. She can still flake, she can still ignore your texts/calls. The fact is if women are attracted to you they will make everything extremely easy for you. Attraction is mostly a function of physical characteristics = facial looks, height, muscles
And to a lesser extent things like money and social status. Game is really not that important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYI-wQ63GE
Can anything an average guy do realistically give him an edge over this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KcZuz9UUpw
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/assclown24/zyzz/hthm_zps4d7e51dd.jpg
or this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5hirAKp6MM
http://looksmatter.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/looks_matter_you_are_not_a_model_equals_you_are_invisible_to_women1.jpg
It's absolutely crazy to think game has even a fraction of the importance of Looks.
My point was that Blanca DID make things easy for me; she gave me classic IOIs! It wasn't as if she were giving me the cold shoulder or anything. No, when I sat down to talk to her, she: 1) turned towards me; 2) leaned IN; and 3) licked her lips! HOw was I to know she wasn't in to me, based on her actions prior to giving me a BS phone number?
"My point was that Blanca DID make things easy for me; she gave me classic IOIs! It wasn't as if she were giving me the cold shoulder or anything. No, when I sat down to talk to her, she: 1) turned towards me; 2) leaned IN; and 3) licked her lips! HOw was I to know she wasn't in to me, based on her actions prior to giving me a BS phone number?"
Well, there is no way to know for sure until P in V. In this case you misinterpreted politeness for interest. No harm done.
The only thing I can say is that women have very low sex drive which makes them much pickier and hypergamous. Think about it as the same level of sex drive you might have after busting a nut(nearly none!). Lesbian couples for instance have very little sex. So the idea that a woman I just met isn't interested is to be expected, especially if we're only average looking/income or less.
I told my buddy about it Wed. night when we were skating, and he said that she may have used me for an ego boost. He said that she may be in a relationship (husband or LTR, we don't know) that's on the rocks, and that she's trying to assess her desirability. He said that her relationship, if she's in one, is already over; all that remains is for that to become official. That makes sense.
For the politeness angle, I don't quite agree. One, the gestures seemed to go beyond mere politeness; I can tell the difference. Secondly, she didn't hesitate to give me the number, either; usually, if a gal is not interested, she'll hem & haw, say she has a BF, doesn't give it out, etc. Usually, if a gal isn't interested, that will be telegraphed during the the exchange. This didn't take place at all.
As a previous commenter said, thankfully she revealed herself as a dishonest bitch BEFORE I invested any time, energy, or money in her. That's how I choose to look at it. I dodged a bullet, and for that, I'm thankful.
GIB,
What about Marc Rudov? He says that women have as high, if not higher, sex drive than men in his book, Under the Clitoral Hood. Also, who can have multiple orgasms and go all night long? Not men, that's for sure...
MarkyMark
Women enjoy sex but their sex drive is markedly lower than men's. There are many studies that show this.
Consider for instance the sexual relationships of lesbian women. Take into account that lesbian women should theoretically be less concerned with society's norms than heterosexual women:
"Pepper Schwartz and Philip Blumstein concluded that lesbian couples in committed relationships have less sex than any other type of couple (heterosexual married, heterosexual co-habitating or gay male) and generally experience less sexual intimacy the longer the relationship lasts after the question "About how often during the last year have you and your partner had sex relations?" was asked of lesbian participants and the results signified less sexual activity than their counterparts. Emphasizing "had sex" in their sample, only about one-third of lesbians in relationships of 2 years or longer had sex once a week or more; 47% of lesbians in long-term relationships had sex once a month or less, and among heterosexual married couples, only 15% had sex once a week or less. They also reported that lesbians seemed to be more limited in the range of their sexual techniques than did other couples, and that lesbian couples are less sexual as couples and as individuals than anyone else."
"Lesbian bed death is a term coined by University of Washington sociologist Pepper Schwartz in her 1983 book American Couples.[1] According to Schwartz, lesbian couples in committed relationships have less sex than any other type of couple, and they generally experience less sexual intimacy the longer the relationship lasts."
"If you are a sexual person, and sexual intimacy is important to you in a relationship, lesbian bed death can be a bummer. I’ve found that with some lesbians I have talked to however that it’s not really a big deal to them and they are okay without having the pressure to perform or the need to be naked with their partner. Regardless of the personal preferences of each couple, the actual reality of lesbian bed death is something that many lesbians face, and it’s not just because we’re gay."
http://lezgetreal.com/2009/05/lets-talk-about-lesbian-bed-death/
That's interesting, but do these studied address the very real question about female multiple orgasms? The fact that they can have multiple orgasms, and we can't.
I think that's pretty much a non-issue. Enjoying sex =/= Having a high sex drive. I think it's conceivable given our highly complex brains that something as enjoyable as sex can be something women might actively avoid with the vast majority of men. Keep in mind however that many countless women report not even being able to achieve an orgasm never mind multiple orgasms.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/sex-study-female-orgasm-eludes-majority-women/story?id=8485289
Men, OTOH, would be interested in having sex with most average women. As long as she doesn't have any serious STDs, she's golden.
This disparity in sex drive is the root cause of hypergamy and female pickiness. After all most boys were picky before they reached puberty.
Some people are going to play dirty. The key is not to take it too much to heart... know that it's nothing personal against you, that's probably how they are.
While I was still on the dating scene, some guys asked me for photos of me in a bathing suit... and that's on an Orthodox Jewish dating site... thankfully, that's where the "ignore" button comes into the picture.
When you're meeting someone in real life, and they turn out to be not what you thought, you can push the "ignore" button inside your head. They don't exist anymore; end of story.
I use to (in my late teens, early 20s) back in the early 2000s give out fake numbers to guys all the time when they asked. Why? I was too uncomfortable to say no. I didn't flirt back with them but honestly for some guys-especially guys in their early 20s who don't have much experience with women, a smile & not ignoring them is flirting. A few of my guy friends would tell me some girl was so into them & when I saw them interact it was clear to me she was NOT into him. I was always right, I could always tell if she was into him or not.
Maybe that was it with her-she didn't want to hurt your feelings face to face.
Btw I stopped doing that by ignoring every guy that tried to talk to me, unless I knew them. Sure I seemed like a real bitch to lots of guys out there but at least they didn't think I liked them! Luckily I met my gorgeous husband at 22 so left the clubbing scene! And as a doctor he never entered the clubbing scene-too busy studying!
Anon,
Though I don't care for the bitchy approach, at least it's more HONEST than the former; at least no one is being misled, so I can respect it.
As for not wanting to hurt feelings face to face, come on! THis was a GROWN WOMAN, not some teenager; she was in her mid-late 30s, easy. How difficult is it to say, 'thanks, but no thanks'? How difficult is that?! And they say women are better communicators-bullshit!
So, tell me something, Anon: were you someone who had a lot of sexual adventures while part of the clubbing scene? I get the sense that you are relieved that your husband wasn't part of it, so he wouldn't know your past. That would be a most interesting story to hear...
MarkyMark
Anon,
Also, I never thought that Blanca was in love with me or crazy into me, either. That said, I DID think she was interested enough to want to know me better; IOW, she had the same interest in me as I did in her. I wasn't in love with her or anything; I was curious enough to want to see more, and I thought she felt the same. Given the circumstances, I thought that this was a reasonable assumption to make.
MarkyMark
@Marky Mark
Women get off on leading men on
A woman who's forward is a huge red flag
If a woman is interested in you, she'll try & start a conversation & talk for ages with you
Basically women today are addicted to acting out drama
This stems from watching tons of toxic tv programs & womens programs
Also you're right women do have higher sex drives then men
These sex drives can only be activated by men ...
Women dont have independent sex drives
If a man isnt there to dominate her, & force her sex drive on
She wont have a sex drive ...
Haha no! I grew up in a small city & our night clubs are very tame! And we all went clubbing. I've never had a one night stand & at 22 had only 2 sexual partners-3 less than my husband. Clubbing does not equal wild sex orgies in Australia. It was actually quite lame now I think about it ;)
Btw have you ever had a long term relationship? I was with bf #1 from 17-19, bf #2 20-22 then met my husband 6 months after we broke up. I guess 2 year relationships aren't really long term though!
Also-I think calling a number after she give it out is really rude. If she gives you a fake one-then what? Call her out on it? Be a gentleman.
And I was not relieved my husband didn't go clubbing...why would you think that? I think maybe clubs are very different where you are from. Here they are full on 18-25 year olds dancing & having a drink. Anyone over 25 doesn't go, or if they do we use to stare, shocked at how old they are & wonder why they were there.
That's bullshit. I would rather be turned down than given a fake number. If a woman gives me a fake number it means she doesn't respect me. At least be honest and say you don't want to give it out. I would appreciate the honesty.
I Should Have Known...
She's a weirdo? From your perspective she is. Just like she probably thinks you're a weirdo. You never mentioned her age, so given she's there with a kid, most likely under 40. Under 40 and a "real cutie" How old are you? Fifty plus.
I always thought the PUA stuff kicked in after she showed interest in you. In this case you approached her every time.
Rather than ask her for her phone number you could have offered to buy her a coke, she probably licked her lips because she was thirsty. She made no moves towards you all evening (or whenever it was) other than lick her lips before she spoke and you thought she'd give her phone number to a guy scoping her out at the rink? Granted, she should have simply said no but I'm sure she was a little surprised by the polite demand and took the selfish/easy way out. Wow, what a bitch for thinking of herself and not you, a stranger at the rink!
Not that this would have helped in this situation, but for future reference it's usually, "hey, lets exchange numbers..." or "here, take my name and number..." I imagine she got a kick out of the pen and paper and the old bald guy.
;-)
Marky,You were some stranger that she was just having a friendly conversation with at a skating rink.She had two kids in tow and was likely married.Did you ask her whether she was married? Perhaps you should have because this will let her know in a subtle way that you may be interested and also just to get an answer whether she's available. I also think that you may be misinterpreting signs and body language. All females will behave in a certain way with men and it's hardwired in their brains.Even little girls do.Even the biggest ball busting feminist will do it.That flirting, smiling etc is actually a sign of submissiveness when in the presence of the bigger and more aggressive male and is a remnant from the more primitive past (like 99% of human history)A lone female probably does naturally feel vulnerable and all of this feminist bravado about girrl power is bullshit. If there weren't hired thugs (cops) and stupid white knights around you would soon see how submissive females really are.In more primitive times the female would soothe and even have sex with aggressive or rampaging males to prevent being harmed.Females will even become lubricated when around violent men in preparation for sex.Females are a lot more programmed by subconscious instincts than you may believe.
You were having a conversation with her and then you asked for her number.She doesn't want to give you an outright no because she doesn't know how you'll react so she pretends to comply with your request to keep things peaceful but gives you a fake number because she has another man.Now I know that neither you or any other man is going to be violent just because a female didn't comply with a request for her number but these primitive fears are still there in her subconscious and let's not forget that even in the modern so called civilised world that power and dominance still rules.
@rmax
If a man isnt there to dominate her, & force her sex drive on
She wont have a sex drive ...
That's somewhat true. The male's aggression sort of gets her excited and turns on the right circuits of her brain, otherwise she may just remain dormant.A female is either off or really turned on sexually which is why there is so much confusion about whether the female is more or less sexual than the male.All of these insane definitions of rape today are a perversion of normal human sexuality.I'm not in favour of rape but let's remember that the concept of rape is not found in nature and is just something we invented to protect our property from other male interlopers.The female can't be trusted to remain chaste because she's just a mass of primitive instincts of which mating is the number one instinct when she's excited, so we held other men liable for her behaviour with these laws about rape, adultery and the rest.A female's instinct to reproduce (have sex) is so strong that no amount of warning or punishment will deter her.Even in places where she may be stoned to death she'll still do it.
Ever wonder why the male is always larger and stronger than the female.There is no real reason for this and it obviously has something to do with mating and reproduction because this is the most important thing in nature.
Actually all these definitions of rape, are all attacks on a mans sexuality
Women cant stand the idea of men being turned on by hot chicks
@Anon
Your definition of rape is spot on, rape is most definitely designed to protect property ...
@MarkyMarky
If a chick is hitting on you & showing clear IOI's, even though she doesnt know you
You should do a takeaway, or an instadate
Basically take her to the drink stand, or food hall, while talking to her
Avoid buying her anything, make it casual chit chat, grab yourself a drink or snack
From there, if you want to avoid flakes, you have to go for the kiss & escalate to a makeout
Most hypersexual chicks
Especially chicks today, want a makeout session before they give you their number
Chicks today are so used to using sex to start a relationship, they dont know how to start a relationship without makeout sessions & kissing
This is why chicks give out fake numbers, flake & arent interested in guys who dont physically make contact, with them via makeout sessions
wow somehow you guys are the worst thing on the entire internet. I wouldn't usually just stoop to anonymous name calling, but there's nothing you could say to convince me that you weren't all man-child hillbilly monsters. SO good luck with all that, shitheads.
@max-did you miss the part where Marky said she has 2 kids with her? How was he supposed to take her for a drink right then?Aside from the fact that she was likely married he should stay away from all females with kids.
@Max
From there, if you want to avoid flakes, you have to go for the kiss & escalate to a makeout
Well it appears that you've been brainwashed by this "game" nonsense.Makeout must be something the kids do now.
If a female kisses a man, and I mean really kisses him, that's sexual foreplay and she's consenting to sex right there.
Females have always understood this and would not just wantonly engage in makeout sessions with different guys.
If a female is drinking with a man and he asks her back to his place and she goes she is consenting to sex. Why else would he ask her at 2 in the morning? To play a game of backgammon? lol
The younger generation of females never learned these common sense rules, probably because there is no Patriarch in the house and only some dingbat mother,and this is why we're seeing all of these false "rape" accusations due to misunderstandings.The dopey feminist mother probably gave her the idea that she could behave anyway she liked with impunity and always be safe.The girl is going around asking for it and sending out mating signals all over the place and then is surprised when she gets it.
Now I'm not saying that anyone should ever be forced to do anything but you need to take into account human nature and understand the signals that you're sending out to men.Even a female just sitting alone at a bar or table is advertising that she's available.If she just wanted to drink she could do that at home.Ever hear girls say that they just want to go to a club with their girlfriends to listen to music and drink? If that's all they wanted to do they could do it at home with each other.Obviously they're looking for some male attention in public.
Anon2252,
I looked for a ring, and I didn't SEE one...
MarkyMark
@Anon
"that's sexual foreplay and she's consenting to sex "
So kissing a chick is foreplay & consenting to sex?
Have you lost your god damn mind?
@Anon
"Marky said she has 2 kids with her? How was he supposed to take her for a drink"
Its called a generalisation
Of course if she has 2 kids dont grab a drink with her etc.
My point was, most chicks are hypersexual, basically they bang so many guys
They dont know how to start a relationship without making out etc
Which is why you really need kiss close, or insta date & makeout to avoid flaking from most women
Here's my advice:
Forgot all of this game nonsense. Just try to get a decent body. You mentioned in your previous article that you're staying in shape. This is good but not sufficient. I suggest that you should try to get a decent physique, something along these lines.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5097653&d=13533845549
This is relatively achievable within a year's time depending on your current fitness level. This body is in fact nothing extraordinary but will still give you a massive edge over your competition. If you upload a few shirtless photos onto a dating site, you'll easily clean up.
This American teenybopper making out stuff is the exception not the norm in the world which is why you don't see females kissing men unless they're serious about having sex, otherwise they would just be viewed as cock teasers.
You pua nerds are funny, you think it's some big deal just getting a girl's number.You even inverted some silly term for it-a number close lol
I would rarely even ask a female for her number. If she gave it to me on her own, usually after I shagged her, I may not even bother calling her.Or I might just give her mine and let her call me.It's no big thing and it's not like she's the last female on earth.
There's no such thing as "game", that's just some bullshit made up by losers who want to see you their e-book. A guy like Roosh was a complete failure with females by his own admission so why would you even take advice from him.He'd be better off just working at a job than wandering around every sleazy town and club in Eastern Europe and living in some crappy place there.The only thing these pua bloggers do is talk a good game to an audience of sex starved boys who are so desperate they'll believe anything that sounds good (but really doesn't work in real life)I could teach you more about how to handle the female.Memorising a lot of lines and learning how to walk and stand like an Alpha is useless if it's not natural.Females naturally reject men with a seconds glance and you're not going to overcome that with some lame pickup lines or chatter.A female can reject you in a second from the corner of her eye-nerd,too short, bald, too fat, too old, too poor looking etcSo your initial impression must be positive or at least neutral to get anywhere. Females are very visual and if you don't meet her qualifications of what she wants in a man you'll get nowhere with you jive talking. Men who have the right look do hardly any talking to the female yet she's still attracted.
It may be unfair but I judge people on that first 2 second impression so you can imagine what females do when they know that guys want to screw them.
I looked for a ring, and I didn't SEE one...
Do women all wear wedding rings? Regardless of whether she was married or not she may still have a bf or live with the father of the kids.
I have fake-numbered a guy once in my 20s. He was chatting me up at the laundromat, was very sweet and friendly, but when he asked for my number I kind of panicked inwardly and just gave him a wrong number. I had just had a relationship end and was heartbroken and depressed over it, and it had nothing to do with the new guy. I was just too discombobulated to deal with anyone new... but at the time, I didn't feel like he'd want me to launch into that whole story, so I didn't tell him. Maybe not the best decision, but my head and heart were just not in a good place then.
BUT, if Blanca was only going to be useful to you for "a few pump and dumps," you would have just ended up hurting her. I have been used like that by a couple of guys (when I thought maybe we would date, leading to a relationship) but then got hurt.
I know you don't trust women, but women have every reason not to trust men either. Pump-and-dumping is one of those reasons. Any guy who would openly talk about a girl that way would be an auto-reject for me.
And Anonymous, dude, no. A woman is NOT consenting to sex by making out with you or going to your place. No no NO.
Scary that some guys think this way.
And Aremo, what the hell? "Not only are American women non-virgins..." What, are you a virgin yourself, that you should be entitled to a virgin?
And Anonymous, dude, no. A woman is NOT consenting to sex by making out with you or going to your place. No no NO.
How old are you? Are you one of these Gen X'ers who was brought up in an abnormal pc feminist environment?
I didn't say that a man should rape a female but that if she behaves in a certain way she's giving mating signals that would lead a normal man to believe she wants to have sex.If you don't know this at your age then perhaps you should learn before you run into any difficulties.Your problem is that you either don't have a clue about what is normal behaviour or more likely you were brought up in a wacky female world where you believe you can act with impunity and still be in control of things.
Most females are going with young men who don't even understand themselves let alone some female who is giving them mixed signals.It's really very simple dear, don't drink and go home with men unless you want to have sex, and don't make out with men unless you want to have sex and you'll avoid most misunderstandings. Females who make out in bars with men are just looking for attention and an Ego boost anyway and are using the man.They do this stuff in public so their friends and other people can see it and show everyone how desirable they are especially if it's some good looking or rich guy.Control yourself dear.
And Aremo, what the hell? "Not only are American women non-virgins..." What, are you a virgin yourself, that you should be entitled to a virgin?
Men have a right to be choosy just like females who want to be choosy about what they want.Your ship has sailed so now you resent men who reject you because you don't meet their qualifications.Find someone who will accept you in your used state and stop bitching about the preferences of some men. It all sounds like bitter grapes to me.Females are all deluded and think they can sell scrap metal at gold prices.You wonder why men feel like they're being used and taken for a ride.It's like going into a top restaurant and ordering a Kobe beef steak but the waiter substitutes a MickyD's burger from the dollar menu then gives you a bill for $200.
" you always take her number & dial her phone"
I always take her phone and call my number - then she has mine, and I have hers. Quick and easy. Of course, most of the time I don't avail myself of that number - that's just the first step, if she doesn't impress me, she isn't worth my time.
Gentlemen,
this is John Rambo, Anti-Feminist Soldier. I am posting this on behalf of Peter-Andrew: Nolan© also now known as Joschua-Brandon: Boehm©. I am doing this because, as a young men who knows Peter well, I know he has our best interests at heart.
Gentlemen,
It is well known that five years ago, April 2008, I spent a month suicidal as I went through the process of disowning my former children. When I came out of that rather unpleasant experience I contacted other men who had been similarly affected. I realized that many men were killing themselves because of the criminal abuse of the family law courts all across the western English speaking world.
As a direct result of this experience, and my compassion for my fellow men, I made a vow in June 2008 to re-introduce the rule of law into Australia and Ireland. Naturally, at the time I made the vow I had no idea how that might be done. We call it “throw your hat over the wall”. You make the vow and “figure it out later”.
Along the way I have talked to many tens of thousands of men, perhaps as many as 100,000 men have seen at least one comment by me one way or another. What I heard from men in 2008 was that they were DESPERATE for a remedy for the crimes being committed against them in the family courts. They were DESPERATE to find a way to end the criminal effects of feminism on their lives. Because so many men told me the same thing I mistook this to mean they actually WANTED to solve the problems of the family courts and feminism. As I said. My mistake.
Through very extensive research and labour, and collaborating with the best and brightest, the remedy for both the family courts and feminism was proven on 2009-11-26. A mere 18 months after I was suicidal. The court meeting that I did on 2009-11-26 I regard as one of the finest achievements of my life. Regardless? The very men I risked my life to create a remedy for have ignored that remedy, preferring to whine, bitch, moan and complain because that is far more rewarding to them than actually solving their problems. If they solved their problems they would have nothing to whine, bitch, moan and complain about.
The remedy has now been available 2.5 times as long as it took to develop and has proved uniquely unpopular. I am hated for even talking about it. The blood of every man who kills himself due to criminal abuse in the family courts is on the hands of those perhaps 100,000+ men who have heard from me and done nothing. I did all I could. They did not. It is actually very simple.
The mechanism for men to free themselves now is the Mens Business Association. The MBA provides individual based services to get men out of the control grid. Such services may well save the mans life from suicide. Going forward? It is necessary to create second economy outside the control of any government entity. Why criminals in governments can dominate and control men via the economy they will continue to do so. There is no reason for them to stop. The MBA is the proposal of a second economy outside the control of the government. This is a NECESSARY ingredient for men to live in freedom.
Only a small percentage of men will want to live in freedom. Those men who want to live in freedom? You are invited to watch a short update on how we are going in our efforts to get the second economy going. Naturally? The second economy will grow just as quickly or slowly as men join in and contribute to it. Those who want to “stick with the government run economies”? You are welcome to do so. I wish you luck with that because you are going to need it.
best regards
your brother peter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXDBDzsAk0
A man does not have the right to be choosy and entitled to a virgin only, if he himself is not a virgin. That is out and out hypocrisy. If a woman is "used" because she has had sex, then so is a man who has had sex.
@anon
Wow yes, spend years getting the perfect body
When you could just learn some game & actually try talking to women ....
Btw markymark gets plenty of numbers & even manages to get plenty of action
Read his posts ...
All without working out for years, just to get a chick
You puahate forum members are ridiculously retarded
Go talk to a chick you sad imbeciles ...
Max,
I am convinced that Game exists, and that its basic tenets work. Where I think they get it wrong is the alpha/beta designation; I think it oversimplifies things. I think that Rob Fedders does a better job of describing things, and his summation more accurately reflects what I have observed.
For example, there's my brother. He's more a true alpha. He's high up enough on his company food chain where he can ride the company Gulfstream. Yeah, that's right; he rides the company jet! Anyway, he got himself a smart, hot woman as a wife (a blonde beauty of Nordic descent), and he's stuck with her. It's in line with Mr. Fedders' school QB example, where the QB gets the best chick and sticks with her for a long time.
As for numbers, I go for 'em when I feel like it, when the moment is right. I don't ask for them like I used to; I normally TELL the woman to give me her number, and she usually does! They're usually right too, i.e. they're not fake.
The other part of Game I practice is that I don't make chicks my main focus; I live my life, do my thing, and only go for one when I feel like it. Henry Makow said that you, as a man, have to have a mission in life, and that a chick can only relate to you properly when you have a focus that is NOT her. I think he's right.
As for looking good, I don't think it hurts, but I don't think women place the same premium on looks that we do. If they did, guys like Sean Connery wouldn't CONSISTENTLY be voted among the sexiest men in the world, right?! He's old, bald, and decades past his prime, yet he still appeals to women. How? It's all in the way he CARRIES himself; he exudes masculine power and energy, which is what women really notice and crave.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by, Max. I'll be going skating again with my buds; I'll have a good time; and whether or not I meet anyone won't make a difference in that regard. Have good day...
MarkyMark
Mark, I just read that article from Rob Fedders. Outstandingly accurate! Just the other day, I was saying to someone, "When the economy implodes, we'll find out who the true Alphas are.
This is very similar to an article a few years back from gonzo's go-go bar and grille titled, "are you a sheeple?" In it, he has five different categories of people in society:
Kings: Those who HAVE to be in charge, and usually are, or at least plotting to be.
Noblemen: Those who while are capable of leading are also capable of following, so long as it best serves their interest. We (for this is my group) can and will become treacherous and traitorous if we feel the ones we have placed our trust in has betrayed us. A constant underlying threat to the kings.
Commoners: The second largest group. Not exactly unwise, but too easily swayed to become unwise by the *right* person leading them. Hard workers who take care of self and family, and have little time or effort for anything else.
Sheeple: the largest group. Not unlike the commoner but slightly more unintelligent. These are the people who when asked about committing horrid acts will say they were "just following orders." Security is EVERYTHING to them and are the very folk Ben Franklin warned us about, valuing security over liberty.
Willing Slaves: Rare in number compared to the commoner/sheeple. These peoples lives are complete ONLY when they belong to an extreme cause. They will gladly blow themselves up in a bus load of nuns and children for their leader/cause.
Personally, I think it's better to be a nobleman than a king in today's society whereby the target will always be on YOUR back. Keep in mind, these above categories are neither a predictor of success, nor an indicator of morals and ethics. It does however outline how truly fucked we have become. The kings have raised up and promoted sheeple and commoners to positions they were never meant to have while consciously spurning the nobles. Mark, I see you mostly as such a nobleman - liberty minded at that. We do our parts as tiring as it is at times to help and wake men up. But remember most won't because they are sheep and commoners who love their oppression. Nevertheless some will wake up that may cause a few others, and a few others, etc..
Sorry for the long post, but I feel had to talk about this.
Dan in Orlando
There are no tenets of "game". It's just a bunch of anecdotes and pop pseudo psychology and even if some of it is has some truth in it you can't teach it any more than you can teach the lame to be long distance runners.You only have to read these pua blogs to see that the writers and especially the comments are pretty lame.
And some People type magazine poll of who's the sexiest man, or woman, is also pretty lame. The females who vote on these things are going by his image on screen and when he was young. That impression is what they're voting for not the tired old man that Connery is today. I was speaking to him last year and he's just another old man not the 30 yo actor playing Bond in the films.
And let's also remember that he's fairly well off, is 6'2" and participated in body building contests when he was young.When these females think of Connery they're thinking this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sean_Connery_1964.png
Not some 83 yo man
You're not going to get past looks and status so easily with the very visual female.Sure, you can get a female but she'll be about your own class. These pua guys think that they can get a female above their class and that's nonsense.Show me one example.Most of these dweebs can't even get a woman, any woman.
Wow yes, spend years getting the perfect body
When you could just learn some game & actually try talking to women ....
Btw markymark gets plenty of numbers & even manages to get plenty of action
I didn't say wasting time to get the perfect body, I said looks.
I have no idea what Marky gets but from his stories he doesn't appear to be so successful, and he's hitting on the easiest demographic, 30 and 40 something females with kids who have had to lower their sights quite a bit from when they were 20.
"Wow yes, spend years getting the perfect body
When you could just learn some game & actually try talking to women ...."
First of all, that guy's body is far from perfect(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5097653&d=13533845549)
. Secondly, you can get a very decent body in roughly a year of working out with average genetics and an average starting point. The guy in that photo is 18 years old, yeah he had YEARS of working out hard core to achieve that.
but keep believing that getting in shape/working out is a waste of time:
http://anony.ws/i/2013/06/07/cW6R8.png
http://anony.ws/i/2013/06/07/k9FTD.png
must have been his personality.
I have no idea what Marky gets but from his stories he doesn't appear to be so successful, and he's hitting on the easiest demographic, 30 and 40 something females with kids who have had to lower their sights quite a bit from when they were 20.
The trouble is I don't think that they DO lower their sights; I think that the 30 & 40 something single moms still think that they have the same 'pull' that they did when they were childless & in their 20s. After all, this is the era when '50 is the new 30', and millions of women have deluded themselves with this fanciful bullshit; after all, Oprah (their true goddess) said, so it must be true...
As for the above commenter saying I'm not successful getting numbers, I am; I just don't talk about it that much on the blog here. However, I will in the near future. Anyway, I have a date for tomorrow, and I have a date next weekend. It's taken a bit of work, but I'm starting to get some action... :)
As for the above commenter saying I'm not successful getting numbers, I am; I just don't talk about it that much on the blog here.
Well then how would Max know since you don't talk about it?
And for all of the female bravado a 40yo female knows deep down that she can't compete with a younger girl.
And stop with this typical pua bullshit about working out and becoming a muscle man because that's not what I mean when referring to looks.
However, I will in the near future. Anyway, I have a date for tomorrow, and I have a date next weekend. It's taken a bit of work, but I'm starting to get some action... :)
It shouldn't take any work to do these things. And I don't think it's a good idea to talk about your personal sex life. This is not some sort of pua competition and whatever you do, or don't do, is really only a concern to yourself.
Well then how would Max know since you don't talk about it?
I said that I don't talk about it much HERE on the blog; I didn't say I don't talk about this elsewhere, i.e. more private venues...
So you know Max personally?
No, I'm a member on other men's fora (the PROPER plural form of forum). Secondly, I talked more about my personal life in the past, though I've cut down on it in more recently. Three, there's an old saying: the doers don't talk, while the talkers don't do. Think about it...
Three, there's an old saying: the doers don't talk, while the talkers don't do. Think about it...
That was my advice to you.
And I really appreciate the advice on the Latin since I haven't studied it in 50 years but in English it would be correct to say forums.
I normally say 'forums' too.
As for the other comment, I didn't know THAT was what you were driving at; I thought you were being a critical smart ass, nothing more.
@Markymark
Np, i'm just sick of these guys from the PUAhate forums
They go around telling guys to work out for a year, just to get a date with some slut
Bunch of morons
Women dont give a fuck about your looks or cash or status
Women have ZERO STANDARDS
Women regularly bang tramps, loosers, drunks, alchoholics, coke heads, drug addicts ...
Basically if you know how to be an asshole to women, you'll get laid like a rockstar
ITS THAT SIMPLE
Women have ZERO STANDARDS
Women are idiots, they'll bang anything which makes their gina tingle
As for the other comment, I didn't know THAT was what you were driving at;
Max was talking as if he knew you when in fact he knows nothing about you or what numbers you collect.He was really just projecting like all of these pua cultists.He also seems to believe that I'm some sort of pua hater when in fact I just find it all silly and something that a naive boy would believe.He's not going to listen to me, an older, experienced, and much wiser man, so all I can say is learn the hard way to him.There's no such thing as "game" theory or principles, it's just a lot of pop psychology that can't possibly work and it could never be considered a science because it's not reproducible.If something happened to work they'll attribute it to "game" when in fact it was just likely chance, or the fact that it's just not hard to pick up a female and anything would have worked on that particular day and time.The female's behaviour is too erratic and unpredictable for any "game" tactic to work but there's a reason that nature made her this way and a method to her madness. Nature equipped her this way to keep the male off balance and at a disadvantage to protect herself against the bigger and stronger male and most of all to protect her most valuable asset, her eggs.Something as superficial as "game" which basically is trying to use a few tricks to make her believe you're of a higher status than you really are will never work and if she even senses that you're trying too hard no matter how subtle you think you are her defences will be up and alert.I get the distinct impression when reading some comments on these game blogs that these guys have never had any real experience being around females and just interacting with them and learning how to read them, something they should have been doing since kindergarten,so that everything they do is natural and doesn't seem like some rehearsed pickup lines. I would advise these gamesters to stop wasting all of their time with this nonsense and just go interact with females socially without even thinking of screwing them.If you go to a club go to one with real dancing where you have to hold and lead her and where it's just you and her one on one.The clubs where these guys go to try to pick up females are the worst places.They're too noisy, a lot of females are drinking too much, the girl is distracted by the noise and guys hitting on her, and her cockblocking fugly friend is interfering. But when you're actually dancing it's just you and her where she can only talk to you without distractions and the man always leads.
@Max-I really don't want to insult you but you sound bitter and a bit warped.
"They go around telling guys to work out for a year, just to get a date with some slut"
That's not what I said and there's really little you can do to change your appearance in this respect.However, simple things like changing how you dress may help.
"Women dont give a fuck about your looks or cash or status"
What planet are you living on? Females will always look to get the best man she is capable of getting and will spend considerable time and money to make herself as attractive as possible to achieve this.
"Women regularly bang tramps, loosers, drunks, alchoholics, coke heads, drug addicts ..."
The females who do this are fugly looking tramps themselves.This is just some rationalisation on your part because you can't get a quality woman and it makes you feel good to believe this.
"Basically if you know how to be an asshole to women, you'll get laid like a rockstar "
Keep dreaming.If you tried this with a female she'd tell everyone you were creepy and none of the girls would talk to you, or some white knight would kick your arse for insulting or being rude to the girl.
"Women are idiots, they'll bang anything which makes their gina tingle"
Keep hoping.You don't sound like the type who can get a nymphomaniac's gina tingling. Even they have some standards.
Anon0406,
Max may be a long time reader of the blog, since I've been at this since Sep 2006. He may be a member of Mancoat or Happy Bachelors undera different name. I've talked a lot more about my personal life there than I ever do here, since they're closed forums.
In any case, I do ok. If I meet someone, fine; if not, that's fine too. In either case, life will go on, and I'll be fine...
MarkyMark
Yea I regularly visit mgtow forums
What's hilarious most of the guys on mgtow forums all have kids & married women, without working out for years to improve other looks ...
They're all average guys who managed to bag, marry & impregnate women ... without working out
Proving PUAhate forum members are complete & utter idiots ...
Max-you're just a troll repeating the same thing over and over even after I said that working out is a waste of time.What I was referring to was actually a man's overall look but you know that don't you.
They're all average guys who managed to bag, marry & impregnate women ... without working out
It doesn't take much skill or "game" to find some female to marry you.There are all sorts of ordinary stupid and fugly looking people married to each other.
Make up your mind, is it looks or working out?
Go take your puahate crap somewhere else
Make up your mind, is it looks or working out?
Don't worry, you don't have it.
Just follow Leykis 101, don't date single moms! They made one mistake already, don't be the sucker who pays for another one. Has worked well for me and before following the good professor's advice, I did bang tons of these single used up cum dumpsters. They lure you with easy sex but want another damn handout in the long run.
Why do you boys always keep following the losers? Leykis has been married FOUR times and divorced.
All of these PUA 'gurus" like Roosh, Mystery and the others that I can't remember offhand were all by their own admissions complete losers with females.
It's a big mistake to believe that you can learn from their mistakes and that they're suddenly experts on something. People who are inept or have poor judgement don't suddenly become experts on something merely because they were screwed by females.This sort of thinking is very common in the US where the sinner is reformed and becomes the saint, or the inept becomes the expert. It doesn't happen in real life and guys like Leykis are just entertainers who may in real life still be making the same mistakes of poor judgement, just in a different way. You also have no idea what Leykis does in real life or even what he earns outside of the BS he tells you on the air to make himself look good.He knows that there are a lot of frustrated young guys around so he's just playing to that demographic to get an audience and make some money from it.You also have no idea what Roosh really does other than what he tells you or writes in his e-books he tries to sell.
If you need a model then choose someone you know is a success. If you're the type who wants a wife then look at the people who are happily married and see what they do.
Rambo, you're deluded. Trolled millions? lol Here is your site's rating, you are in the top 4,000,000 lol
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com#
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