Guys,
If you want to be shocked, go take a gander at this gallery over at Yahoo. It features some of the better known women from the James Bond, 007 films; I'm talking about women such as Ursula Andress, Barbara Bach, and Maud Adams. These women, while some of the hottest to ever grace the silver screen, aren't so hot now...
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40 comments:
Wow, if a Bond alpha girl can turn to shit, just think of the girls that wouldn't talk to you in your youth.
I've always like Jane Seymour. She is aging gracefully and comes across as one that has a pleasant disposition.
Even old, bald and fat, Sean Connery doesn't provoke that same stomach-churning urge to scream and run in horror.
I guess we men get the last laugh in that respect.
Anon2117,
Even when he was WELL past his prime, do you remember how Sean Connery was voted the sexiest man in the world back in the mid or late 1990s? That told me that women aren't turned on by looks the same way us guys are...
MarkyMark
Oops, Sean Connery was voted ONE of the sexiest men in the world-my bad. That said, my original point still stands...
Mark...I know you're no genius, but I thought you were at least smart enough to have a basic understanding of the process known as "aging". Believe it or not, Hollywood celebrities are not vampires. Everybody who doesn't die young gets old. Some do so more gracefully than others, based on their genetic traits, diet, exercise habits, amount of time spent tanning (dries you out like jerky), stress levels, drug/alcohol consumption, characteristic facial expressions, and whether or not they experienced any illnesses. One could just as easily pull up comparisons of men who were handsome in their youth who became hideous in old age...but that would just be childish and spitefully petty. Act your age, Mark =]
Yael,
The big difference between us men and you women is that we ACCEPT the fact that we're growing older, and we ACCEPT the fact that we can no longer pull attractive women like we did when we were younger. You chicks, even when you're 50 and shriveled up like a prune STILL think you should be pulling Chippendales' dancers, and you get downright indignant when you can't! You chicks, all of you, derive your self worth from the amount of sexual attention you can get. Unfortunately, you cannot and do not come to grips with reality like us men can and do.
Secondly, this wasn't to engage in a childish exercise; it was to EDUCATE men. Men fall in love with hot women all the time; all the time, men bemoan the hottie that either got away, or they couldn't get at all. I just wanted to show my boys that they didn't lose anything; I just wanted to show my boys that hot women do not STAY that way forever. I wanted to show my boys that, if they're going to get with a woman, then she'd BETTER have it goin' on on the inside; if a man is going to have a woman in his life, he'd better look beyond the exterior, because women get old, fat, shriveled up, and ugly all too fast. You know it, and I know it.
MarkyMark
You seem to base a lot of your worldviews off of generalizations and stereotypes. Everyone's met some pretty delusional old ladies who still think they've got it going on well after they don't. Lots of men will also sadly cling to a concept of themselves that is decidedly far more youthful, muscular and exuberant than they actually are (or in some cases, ever were). Just look at desperate old "PUAs" like Roissy. And surely you've seen those old guys who buy expensive sports cars, don a fitted shirt with an Ed Hardy hat and try to pick up women in their twenties. We can all agree that it's sad when people refuse to accept the reality of their age.
At very least, you need not extend your assumptions to me. I may be in my twenties yet, but I've never been particularly vain about my looks. Why place excess value on something that is so fleeting? I value myself for what I can actually do, not what I can get away with wearing.
To address your second point, I had always lived under the assumption that most men were aware that women do not look the same way forever. I didn't think it was some big secret that everyone gets old and somewhat unattractive at some point around their 30's, 40's and 50's. Hell, a Charlie Sheen inspired lifestyle can make someone look pretty old at 25. I guess that the whole, "it's what's on the inside that counts" moral was one that I had always assumed had been heavily imparted by Disney and the like to most little children fairly thoroughly, along with "don't judge a book by its cover" and "all that glitters is not gold". That's just basic Idioms 101. But if you felt as though these simple sorts of adages had gone over the heads of your readership, go right ahead and offer them a refresher course. I just hope that they don't find you to be insultingly condescending for doing do.
Marky,these females are from their 60's to 80's and I think you're really silly. Actually for their ages they look well preserved. After a certain age everyone goes downhill fast. And stop believing nonsense in magazines about who's sexy. Connery looks like an old man which is what he is at 82.
Marky, you're really being silly. Men want females when they're young so shwing a fews picsof aged actresses means nothing. And I'm not so sure that men age so gracefully either.Don't pick out a few females who want to act like teenagers and say they're typical because from what I've seen females seem to accept their fate better.They turn 40 and cry for the day but seem to get over the fact that they are no longer young better than men. Females have other females to cmmiserate with while men just become depressed and don't want to bother with anyone anymore.
Marky, you've heard this bullshit about married men living longer but it's really just that-bullshit.Shakespeare, a married man with kids died at 52, Henry VIII at 53. But the writer Cleland(Fanny Hill)a bachelor was over 80 and a number of other writers who were bachelors at that time were also over the life expentacy of a man's age Today.I has two great uncles left over from WWI who had injuries, both bachelors, who died at 95 and 110(yes 110).I think that the so called statistics of married men living longer need to be interpreted.In the bachelor pop. a certain small % never married because they had some birth or acquired defect which prevented them from marrying and they just may have died from their condition at an early age. I would bet that if you eliminated the batchelors in this class who died at a young age and took an average of the others that they have a normal or higher life expectancy.
You ever notice that a female can almost always marry no matter how crazy, fugly or with some defect?
btw, take a look at Thomas Parr who didn't marry until he was 80 and lived to 151.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tom_Parr
"I may be in my twenties yet, but I've never been particularly vain about my looks. Why place excess value on something that is so fleeting? I value myself for what I can actually do, not what I can get away with wearing."
I I I me me me .... I confess I was worried MarkyMark might be going downhill, but judging by how irritated he's making Yael and the rest of teh wimminz he's definitely still got "the touch". Their butthurt is as funny as it is revealing. All the more reason to continue with these posts, IMHO.
"I've seen females seem to accept their fate better."
Well, there you have it. Anecdotal evidence from Anonymous? I think that settles the question.
'I was worried MarkyMark might be going downhill, but judging by how irritated he's making Yael and the rest of teh wimminz he's definitely still got "the touch".'
I also have noticed a slight decline in Mark's writing. I come to this blog seeking a good chuckle and find myself disappointingly linked to someone else's article, or when the material is original, it's often a repeat. Such a bummer. But hey, it's time-consuming to keep a blog "fresh".
Did my remark give you the false impression that I am/was irritated? I was merely relieving Mark of a false notion, since he presumed that I fall under his anecdotally derived stereotype concerning female vanity. I can assure you that my jimmies were and remain un-rustled. After all, the "I I I me me me" pattern was only in response to Mark's accusatory-toned "you you you you you you".
'Well, there you have it. Anecdotal evidence from Anonymous? I think that settles the question.'
You're quite right; Anon used a logical fallacy (reliance on anecdotal evidence) to draw a conclusion...in response to Mark's use of a logical fallacy (reliance on anecdotal evidence) to draw a conclusion. Pot, meet kettle.
You, m'dear, are also behaving rather fallaciously if I do say so myself. Well, "fallaciously" is not quite the right term..."trollishly", perhaps? What I am getting at is rather than actually addressing my remark, you essentially responded with, "lol u mad?" That may have passed for sufficient five years ago on 4chan, but it does nothing to advance any point you may have at present.
When you're getting flak, you're over the target Mark.
Looks like your bombs are really hurting Yael and her imaginary friends.
P.S. yael, I know of a few cats looking for a home.
@anon 19.27-from what I've seen females seem to accept their fate better.
Well, since I'm 60 and you're some 20 something inexperienced kid I would guess that I've seen a lot more than you and that my Opinion is a lot more valid as well.And you couldn't possibly know how females behave at 40 because you've never had a gf or female friend of that age while I've had hundreds.
You're quite right; Anon used a logical fallacy (reliance on anecdotal evidence) to draw a conclusion...in response to Mark's use of a logical fallacy (reliance on anecdotal evidence) to draw a conclusion. Pot, meet kettle.
Another stupid kid here. Hey kid, I'm 60 and Marky is 50, that "anecdotal" evidence becomes a science based on observation when it involves large numbers and extensive experience.And btw, I don't think that any of those actresses think of themselves as glamour girls anymore. It 's dumb fem oriented magazines that are trying to appeal to the average female who make up these sexiest woman articles where they take a 70yo female and write she's still sexy.They're just trying to appeal to the average female's vanity and sell magazines and soothe their little Egos about getting older because only a lunatic would believe that an old female is sexy.
'Just look at desperate old "PUAs" like Roissy.'
You're obviously a silly litle girl because although I think these pua's are silly Roissy I believe is like 30 something which for a man is not even in his prime yet.
"And surely you've seen those old guys who buy expensive sports cars blah blah blah......"
Those are not old men, they are mature men and have the money to buy things that they could not afford at 20 which is why they do it.I guess that that annoys females who don't want men to spend their money on things they like.They'd prefer that men just dropped dead and left the money to them lol
"Did my remark give you the false impression that I am/was irritated? I was merely relieving Mark of a false notion"
Of course. How charitable of Yael.
I was going to leave this comments section, but seeing how easy Yael is to bait makes me want to stay a while. It's cute how flustered these wimminz get once you knock 'em off their high horse. Or is it a cotton pony? lol.
For the record (I believe there was similar confusion in another comment thread), I am not the anonymous commenter. I can stand my own ground quite sufficiently (as reflected by Anonymous 01:58's inability to reply with any words of substance) and do not need to resort to sock-puppeting as a means of giving an illusion of support. I believe (but not being a blogger, I do not know) that Mark is able to clarify any misunderstanding as well; I was under the impression that blog administrators are able to see if comments are coming from different IP addresses or not.
"Another stupid kid here."
Moving on to making ad hominen logical fallacies, eh? Classy.
"Hey kid, I'm 60 and Marky is 50, that "anecdotal" evidence becomes a science based on observation when it involves large numbers and extensive experience."
Er, I may be making an assumption here, but as far as I'm aware, none of us are scientists.
We are all just different people at different ages with varied experiences. You can point to what you've observed throughout your life to support your points, and I can do the same. In the end however, none of us has what constitutes actual evidence that can factually prove one of us right and the other wrong.
"You're obviously a silly litle girl because although I think these pua's are silly Roissy I believe is like 30 something which for a man is not even in his prime yet."
I believe Roissy is actually in his forties, though that is only based off of reported sightings. Speaking of the self-proclaimed 'Heartiste', I highly recommend his blog to anyone who derives amusement from sheer delusional absurdity. He doesn't write terribly well, but his material is downright hee-larious. I most recently read a list he made of lines to start chit-chat with female strangers in random public settings. Cheesiest stuff ever =p If you consider a man in his forties to be any sort of prime (I certainly don't, people I know my age classify 30-35 as "old"), Roissy from his own self-descriptions approaches young women in a fashion I'd attribute to a much older man, one more thoroughly disconnected from the youth.
"Those are not old men, they are mature men and have the money to buy things that they could not afford at 20 which is why they do it"
I detect someone in denial. It's funny, the women who don't act their age are old, but when the men refuse to act their age it's "mature", hmm? I think not.
I'm not talking about saving up for nice things that couldn't be afforded in youth. I'm referring to old men who buy flashy cars, ill-fitting clothes and toupees for the sake of attempting to appeal to young women. Not because they actually enjoy driving around looking silly. I'm sure some old guys do buy those cars because they've always wanted them, but I've seen many who were just using the vehicles to compensate for their age rather than embracing it.
'I guess that that annoys females who don't want men to spend their money on things they like.They'd prefer that men just dropped dead and left the money to them lol'
They are free to buy what they like, and I can assure you that probably nobody minds. At least, I certainly don't. I work and attend college for a reason.
I only feel the same way I do about old women who can't let go and age with grace: it's pitiful. I never feel as mortified for another person as I do when a man in his fifties or sixties rolls into the club trying to seduce girls with his sports car. After all, it's lame enough when a *young* man uses the "Have you ever seen the inside of a (insert expensive car brand here)?" line. I'm fortunate to never have witnessed an old lady hitting on young guys (though I bet it friggin' happens O_O).
@Yael
"You seem to base a lot of your worldviews off of generalizations and stereotypes."
I had no idea you had all the time in the world to make unique observations of every person and circumstance you came into contact with.
Where do you store all that data, and how do you truly know that your empirical observations are correct?
Can you teach me how to live forever so I don't have to use stereotypes and generalisations since I currently don't have the time to check out each persons' life story before I mentally categorise them?
Thanks in advance.
Er, I may be making an assumption here, but as far as I'm aware, none of us are scientists.
We are all just different people at different ages with varied experiences. You can point to what you've observed throughout your life to support your points, and I can do the same. In the end however, none of us has what constitutes actual evidence that can factually prove one of us right and the other wrong.
That's something a kid would say. If you're 20 now you barely even know you're alive or are you conscious of the world at large. About all you know are your little friends and a very small circle of experience. Yu have no perspective on life which is why no one pays any attention to college kids.
I never feel as mortified for another person as I do when a man in his fifties or sixties rolls into the club trying to seduce girls with his sports car.
Grown men don't hang out at dopey kid clubs. Or do they use their car to impress girls with.Personally I think you're just jealous. When you see an older prosperous man with a 20 yo female you can be sure that she's not some dingbat who hangs out in clubs.
I have no idea how old Roissy is or do I follow these pua's but he seems to be in his late 20's judging from his pic but to a kid that's "old" lol
Roissy from his own self-descriptions approaches young women in a fashion I'd attribute to a much older man
Nonsense, and it just shows how inexperienced you are. I find him rather childish like a college kid.
#7 Honor Blackman, 86, looks much better than #5 Diana Rigg, 73, or #3 (Omigod, what is it?) Ursula Andress, 76. At least, #7 looks almost human.
This will gross out you younger guys, but I could do #9 Jane Seymore, 61. But, with her four marriages, I would want her checked out by an epidemiology team first.
#11 Maud Adams, 67, maybe, not sure from a picture.
Yael, you remind me so much of my younger brother. He also knows everything that is, as well as a lot of stuff that isn't.
I supplied no-fee counseling to divorced men from 1984 till 1993. And, I assure you that physical appearance in women is extremely important to most men. If a woman is hot looking, they pay no attention to her obvious personality defects, which in the USA are extreme. People of more experience such as Mark and I know this is a mistake, and that stupid mistake by most men is a part of the cause of the high divorce rate in the US.
Thus his vomit inducing visual example to try to teach them appearance is not that important, that it is temporary, and there had better be something there when the looks are gone. In fact, I think he spelled it out rather plainly. Unfortunately, your significant intellectual capacity which exists mostly in your own fantasies was not sufficient to understand what he was doing. The South Padre Islands is a great place to pound sand.
Anonymous age 70
By the way, Supergirl, [/sarcasm] I live in rural Mexico, and I get hit on by cute and sexy 22 year old women, and it is not for money nor papers. I know that also exceeds your intellectual capacity, but it is true. However, I am not going to explain it. Please carry on with your delusions of superiority.
Happy B'day Anon70! Jane Seymour still looks good. When she was doing Dr. Quinn, I thought she looked BETTER than she did as a Bond girl. She still looks decent for her age, but I don't know if I could get a boner for her her though...
@70-just remember that those pics of theold actresses are after a makeup artisthas fixed them up, a hair stylist had done their hair, and a pro photographer has taken their pic under perfect and flattering lighting conditions and then chose the best pics from the 1000's of shots he's taken.
" I'm referring to old men who buy flashy cars, ill-fitting clothes and toupees for the sake of attempting to appeal to young women. Not because they actually enjoy driving around looking silly. I'm sure some old guys do buy those cars because they've always wanted them, but I've seen many who were just using the vehicles to compensate for their age rather than embracing it"
Yeeah! u go gurl! Get your face red!
Because nothing says "I pity you" like rambling on and on about how you're not bothered by those whom you pity, in a lame effort to cover up your anger. As opposed to quietly going your way. It really is true that feminists have two moods - arrogance if they succeed at duping people, and rage whenever they fail at it.
>>She still looks decent for her age, but I don't know if I could get a boner for her her though...
But, you are not 70, hee, hee.
>>-just remember that those pics of the old actresses are after a makeup artist...
Of course. But, thanks for reminding the readers. Imagine waking up to that with no make-up at all, and rough hair. Omigod!
The negative attitude towards May/December seems to be strictly Anglosphere. And, my guess is it is feminist in origin.
A Mexican cousin, a manual laborer and not a handsome man, told me when he was in his late 50's, a 19 year old asked to have his baby. He asked her why she wanted someone his age, when she could have a young man. She said older men treat you better; they are more responsible, and are more affectionate.
My first shock was when I was 64 and learned a 14 year old girl was in love with me, scared me half to death. A wise female friend said this is common, when an older man treats the girl as if she has a brain. She told me not to worry about it, treat her the same, she would outgrow it.
Later, I used to chat up a very attractive 20 something in a store. The owner of the store one day asked me if I wanted that girl for a mistress. I evaded the question, and asked my wise friend why a girl like that would be interested in a man my age. She said some of the country girls have never been ANYWHERE, not even the nearest city, and would view someone like me, who at times takes off, and travels all over the US, as being very sophisticated.
I estimate at least 5% of young women here are attracted to older men, and not just for money or papers.
Anonymous age 70
>>It really is true that feminists have two moods - arrogance if they succeed at duping people, and rage whenever they fail at it.
Brilliant.
Feminists viewed men as manipulable idiots in the 60's. And, they still do. It is called Future Shock, after the book written many years ago which said sometimes change happens so fast that people can't keep up.
In the 60's, men suffered from it as feminists turned society upside down.
Now, after 45 years of the same old stupid crap directed at men to manipulate them, large numbers of men have figured it out. And the old tactics simply don't work any more.
So, the feminists actually think there is something wrong, in fact dangerously wrong, with men who have swallowed the Red Pill and won't bow and scrape at their feet.
So, you have control freaks like Yael who come to boards or blogs which are clearly intended for men, and start the insults and irrational logic (yes, it's an oxymoron, but so are most AW today) expecting to impress the men with their oxymoronic babbling. When it doesn't work they believe we all belong in jail for the safety of society.
I have oft used the example of the 3900 pound Holstein bull which breaks loose from its chain and goes on a rampage around the farmyard. That is exactly how they view men who don't accept feminist B.S. Get the shotguns! Hide the kids under the bed!
Anonymous age 70.
" I'm referring to old men who buy flashy cars, ill-fitting clothes and toupees for the sake of attempting to appeal to young women
I think that a lot of men just like machinery.
Ill fitting clothes? So you think we should wear what your little mangina kid friends wear? Mid thigh baggy shorts, turned around caps and baggy shirts.
Toupees?You know, I don't believe I've ever seen a man in one. If a man goes bald he justs gets used to it and perhaps shaves his head and does the Kojak look.
This one is really hot
http://tinyurl.com/dx7dp4s
If you truly love someone, the looks never go. I speak from experience here.
Sic transit...
"If you truly love someone, the looks never go. I speak from experience here."
how much experience do 12 year old girls typically have with love? I know of plenty of guys who were betrayed by a woman they loved, and hey how about it their women got old and gross just like all the rest.
"I had no idea you had all the time in the world to make unique observations of every person and circumstance you came into contact with. Where do you store all that data, and how do you truly know that your empirical observations are correct? Can you teach me how to live forever so I don't have to use stereotypes and generalisations since I currently don't have the time to check out each persons' life story before I mentally categorise them?
Thanks in advance."
^One could say the very same thing to each and every one of you boys... but then again, you boys are the epitome of double standards. Hence, this blog, this blog post, and your entire network of crybabies.
Mark,
I just dropped by to let you know - this came up in my B&N alerts along with the real book signings... your dream girl has a "book" signing coming up.
http://store-locator.barnesandnoble.com/event/76143
Cheers :)
This makes no sense at all and was obviously written by a female or a retard:
I had no idea you had all the time in the world to make unique observations of every person and circumstance you came into contact with. Where do you store all that data, and how do you truly know that your empirical observations are correct? Can you teach me how to live forever so I don't have to use stereotypes and generalisations since I currently don't have the time to check out each persons' life story before I mentally categorise them?
Thanks in advance."
The idiot is first saying she doesn't have the time to analyse everyone. OK that's true. But then says if she could live forever then she'd be able to do it.
Honey, the reason that men are smarter than females is that are able to use deductive reasoning and make generalisations (a sign of intelligence)
If every time I saw a squirrel I put a nut on the ground and he came over and ate it and after doing this with a 100 squirrels I could deduce that squirrels liked eating nuts without testing every squirrel in the world lol Men have always had to make decisions and many times had to make life and death decisions very quickly where the need to generalise is very important.
Females always like to point out the exception without understanding that is why it's called the exception rather than the norm.
The reason that females do this is simple.They want you to believe that they individually are somehow special rather than just an ordinary unit in the herd.One pussy (really all they have to offer) is pretty much like all pussies and they know it so to stand out and get attention they have to make a man believe that theirs is special.They attempt to do this by many artificial means like clothes, hair etc to make themselves look different from the other pussies competing with them for male attention but it's all just a con game. This is why females always dwell on the exception rather than the rule.It's probably an inbred trait of the female and unconscious.
One could just as easily pull up comparisons of men who were handsome in their youth who became hideous in old age
Yael, men do not go through menopause at 40 and quickly lose their reproductive ability or lose 90% of their estrogen within a short period.A female's looks are to attract aman to have sex with and reproduce and when she hits menopause at 40 she also loses looks because they are no longer needed.
@Anonymous 19 April, 2012 01:09,
Actually, the "idiot" who wrote that was "P Ray" ;)
@Anonymous Aged 70: "She said older men treat you better; they are more responsible, and are more affectionate."
^I'm dating someone 23 years my senior, and that is exactly why. Not for love of money or "papers"<--what does that even mean?
Some of you are so hypocritical. Not just here, but on the MRA sites Mark links to. You mix legit gripes (paternal rights, divorce inequity, etc) with utter nonsense. You have amazingly high standards (including looks) for women, while you simultaneously refer to us with a slew of epithets. And then you whine because you think women don't want average looking guys, for example.
I finally figured out what "hypergamy" means. I had to google it. Still don't know what "PUA" means. But it's called natural selection; not money grubbing. I'm a pretty girl. Average, girl next door, in shape, type looks. My guy is handsome and in shape. I'm not a 6-foot super model with a vacuous expression, and so I'm not with a chiseled male underwear model (that doesn't even attract me).
Check this article about Ed Houben, a new variant of feminist welfare state-sponsored PUAs:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,827123,00.html
@WOMAN 19 April, 2012 11:35:
I can expect men to make some errors here and there.
But you see so many aged single women, desperate for a guy to be sincere with them ... AFTER those same women chose to be with men who they spin as either:
1. treated them badly or
2. didn't measure up.
Why do women take so much pride in female intuition, when women are the ones initiating most of the divorces?
That must either mean they're not very good at interpreting that intuition (meaning they're not "good communicators"), they don't know how what a good relationship is (they're stupid), or they go into a relationship calculating how much they can get out of it in dollar-terms (they're mercenary).
Feel free to tell your boyfriend to beat me up, ahahahaha...
It must be hard for attractive women to grow older – to gradually go from being the belle of the ball, to turning a few heads here and there, to finally becoming sexually invisible.
For us men getting old isn’t quite as bad because, unless we’re apex alphas, we’re sexually invisible to about 80-90% of women our whole lives anyway.
I rarely create comments, however I browsed a lot of remarks here "Bond Girls: Then & Now".
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